Pastor John talks about the victories he’s experienced in pursuing racial harmony as well as the scars he’s accumulated.

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Piper: “It feels like a victory that we’re talking…I don’t mean a victory of mine but of God.”

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“I’m really in this theologically. I’m not in this racially, first. I’m in this theologically…

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“Bloodlines feels like a victory… I’m just a pastor who is trying.”

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Piper on pursuing racial harmony: “Events go away… I don’t think events are the key.”

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